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Safe Turning Programme Re-Start

Category : Fanuc Turn

Safe Turning Programme Re-Start

Safe Turning Programme Re-Start. On fanuc controls programme restart has never been a great thing. What most people do is start from a tool change line.

So, you go into edit mode. Search for the tool you want to start at. Change to Memory (Auto) and press the cycle start.

Safe Turning Programme Re-Start

Easy, but what if you select the wrong line. That’s a potential crash.

So imagine you did this and bent the machine. The boss says “Ok this is a no blame culture”. Then after he fires you and shoves a P60 up your arse he looks for a way to stop this happening again.

mmm corned beef hash for tea

Memory Search

With a Fanuc control the only thing you can search for inĀ MEMORY (AUTO) mode is an N number.

Why you may ask?

Read on to find out why I think they did this.

Safe Turning Programme Re-Start

Here is the Plan

  • Each tool has an N number that corresponds to it’s T number.
  • You only use N numbers from 1 to 20 for this purpose.
  • N numbers in your turning cycles are in the hundred series N100 to N900
  • If you have to use other N numbers use N1000 to N6000
  • Only restart your programme in MEMORY (AUTO) mode.
  • Search for the tool number you want to start at (T1 will be N1)
  • Off you go.

N Number Corresponds to T Number

Safe Turning Programme Re-Start

Safe Turning Programme Re-Start

Now I would be a fool to say this can’t go wrong, so I won’t.

  1. You could pick the wrong tool.
  2. You could pick the wrong N number like N6000 for example.
  3. You could be blind drunk

But I think it is quite a good system to implement.

It would certainly work well for an operator who you want to just operate the machine.

In Conclusion

I think Fanuc made your machine so you could only search N numbers in memory so that you could have this safe restart process.

Proof that they love you really.

Create an SOP for programme restartĀ  (Standard Operating Procedure).

This would catalogue exactly how to perform a programme restart within your organisation.

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Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati CNC Blast From the Past

Category : Acramatic

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati CNC, I recently trained four people on some Cincinnati Arrow machines with the Cincinnati Acramatic 2100Ā  control.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

 

Vertical Machining Centres that go from a 500 small machine up to 3 metre X axis machine.

Some have Fanuc controls but these machines have the Cincinnati Acramatic 2100 control.

I have to admit when I train on some of these older machines around 1999-2000 some of the stuff I have forgotten.

Preparation Is king

Preparation is everything so it is sometimes necessary to spend a lot of time making sure I am back up to speed with everything the machine can do.

When I support people on CNC machines I feel like I am on a personal mission to make sure they discover all the great functions their CNC Machine has.

This one has loads.

I just love that feeling when a someone who worked on a machine for three years is shown a whole bunch of things he didn’t know about the machine.

All the functions of a machine are like a tool box, but first of all you have to know what’s in the box.

It’s then an informed choice as to what tool you choose.

These Ā Cincinnati Acramatic 2100 controls certainly have a vast array of available tools.

Anyway enough of the toolbox bullshit.

Remote Control

These machines work in quite a different way to most CNC Machines in that you work a lot of the time from a remote pendant.

 

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

This controls almost everything. JOG, HANDWHEEL and CYCLE START. All your SINGLE BLOCK, DRY RUNĀ etc buttons are on here too.

It takes a bit of getting used to, oh and it’s bloody heavy too. It’s on a magnet so you can stick it to the machine door if you want. It’s a powerful magnet so you can always make your own body scanner if you need to scrap the machine.

The machine control panel is a touch screen. Don’t get too excited here it’s not a fuckin iPhone you can’t Skype the Mrs when you are bored.

Mine got dropped unfortunately.

Sometimes you have to force yourself to do things a different way and when you get used to it things are whole lot quicker.

Once you get used to touching the screen for whatever you want it gets really fast.

You can add a keyboard to the control which I think most people do. Otherwise it has a button to get an onscreen keyboard.

PC Based

Oh yea this control is PC based and that can be a real pain in the arse cos it does have a slight tendency to fall over every now n then.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

I can never understand why some of these controls got left behind likeĀ Tosnuc 888 and Phillips. I could go on but I won’t.

The machine was way ahead of its time. The more I play with it the more excited I get. (No pun intended).

The programs are very similar to Fanuc/Haas G code type shit but in a lot of ways simpler and easier.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Unlike the program above there is no G43 and H number needed. Once you call a tool then it’s offset is active (just like on Mazaks) it don’t arf make life easy.

So in a program you just call the tool M6 T1 and use it, no G43 crap. It’s the same when you apply G41 and G42 no need for a D number.

So if you have a tool in the spindle and you want to mill the top face of your part by hand. You can just read it’s position off the display.

Rigid Tapping, Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

There are tons of extra cycles and stuff. Like Rigid Tapping. Oh and peck tapping. It’s even got that nifty J figure thing. Like if you put in J2 you get double the speed when the tap retracts (how cool is that).

Yes smart-arse I know you have it on your Haas Machine.

Brackets for comments are a bit weird cos you have to put MSG, at the beginning to tell it it’s a comment. Like this.

(MSG, PLEASE FEED THE DOG)

This control is not like Fanuc where you have square brackets for calculations and curved brackets for comments.

So if you don’t put in the MSG, then it will try n make mathematical sense of what you wrote.

 

 

(It didn’t feed my dog by the way and now he’s angry.)

It Gets Better n Better

This leads me on to some real cool shit. You can just add calculations in brackets wherever you want.

Even without brackets you can put things like X10.+10. and it will move to X20. I always think it is better to let the computer do all the maths. So you can just write things straight off your drawing.

It has its own parametric programming system like Macro as well. Just read this if you don’t know what that is.

It will add rads and chamfers for you too. Just by adding a comma and the R50. for a 50mm radius or C50. for a 50mm chamfer.

So let’s imagine we want to mill a square like this.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

You would need a program something like this. G1 and G2 then you would have to calculate all the endpoints.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

But on this control all you need is to program corner to corner like a square then add the R. You just use a comma see below.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Oh and if you swap the R for C

 

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

You get this.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

By the way these don’t have to be ninety degree corners it works for any angle.

You can do this on Heidenhain too.

Cut Copy Paste,Ā Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Where this control really started to leave the competition behind, back in the day, is when you get to editing.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

It’s got touch buttons for cut, copy and paste. But you can copy and paste the same way as you do on your PC.

Ctr C for copy and Ctr V to paste you can even undo using Ctr Z.

Split Screen

On Acramatic 2100 you also have a split screen function when editing. This makes it really easy. Yea and just like a PC if you want to copy a program you just save it under a different name.

Now the crap bit

It’s got graphics Hooray (not). You guessed it the graphics are shite. But never mind they still serve as a quick way to test for any alarms in your code. Obviously you can see if the positions are roughly right. As for the 3d graphics bit I wouldn’t even go there. I can’t be too critical here I mean we are in the late 90’s and you were listening to Qasis records.

If you can’t get em to work here’s how. You lock the machine (Machine Lock). This is on most machines and it’s a button that effectively stops everything moving while you test a program.

Run the program and it records the shape for the graphics. You then press play and voila you have your part in graphics. A little tip if you can’t see it then use the magnifying glass with the red circle round it to see the full table.Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Your part will look like fly shit in the middle of the screen. Now press the Center on Tool button

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

With page up and down keys you can zoom a square around the shape. When you press enter it will scale your shape up.

Tools and Tool File,Ā Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

You can get a real nice graphical display of the tool changer that allows you to see each tool in the carousel.

When you touch on a tool it takes you to that tools offset. A real quick way to access each tool. You have to be arsed to put in all the information for each tool by the way but it’s worth it.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

There is loads of stuff you can do with the tool file. It can even allow for the drill point (like Mazatrol does).

  • Tool Material
  • Tip Angle
  • Flute Length

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Be patient as parts of the screen are loading it’s easy to think things are not there and go on to another page.

Work Offsets

You have G92 and G92.1 for setting datums which is the old fashioned way. It’s a bit like just zeroing the display on a Bridgeport with a DRO. The good thing about G92.1 is it takes into account the current tool length when you set zero.

Personally I would avoid using G92 or G92.1 but if you must…..

It uses H numbers like the Tosnuc system which allows you to use 36 work offsets H1 to H36 (like G54 through to G59 on a Fanuc). This is a much better way in my opinion.

A word of caution you need to program the H with a rapid move and it needs to be all axis.

G0 G90 X0 Y0 Z100. H1

With work offsets on this control I think there are actually too many options so I think it is best to decide on what is best for you and stick with it.

It has a table type thing where you can see where each offset is and activate which one you want. We played around with this but the operators really didn’t like it so we dumped it. But I did my job in demonstrating it. Now it’s in their toolbox if they decide to use it.

G Codes,Ā Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Very similar to Fanuc and Haas with a few exceptions like G53.

If you didn’t know, this positions the machine using it’s distance from zero return. Anyway on this control it’s G99 instead of G53.

Canned cycles like G81Ā  (Drilling Cycle) work a bit differently you still have a rapid point but there is no G98 and G99 (return to initial or R point).

It has a standard clearance point (which you can adjust in settings) standard it’s 3mm above the part.

What you do is you program a W figure which is none modal.

G81 Z-10. R1. F100.
X50.
X100. W100. (Jumps up 100mm for this hole only)
X150. (Automatically continues with standard clearance point)
x200.
G80

It’s a bit funny to start with but I think once you get used to it it’s a good a way of jumping over clamps n stuff.

End Of Program, Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

M30 on this control will end the program and put the tool away.

M2 ends a program and returns to the beginning. Unlike standard where it ends the program but does not reset (it just sits there laughing at you)

If you program

M2 T5

At the end of your program it will pick up tool 5 ready for next program run.

A nice little touch I thought.

Well Thought Out

Everything on this machine is well thought out. When it comes to setting tool lengths. Again you use the pendant. Bring your spindle nose down to the point where you want to set your tools from. It then has a nifty button you press that records the position they call it SET TRAM

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

This stays in the control. When you bring your tool down to touch in the same place, press SET LEN and it records the tool length. It’s a real no nonsense affair.

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

Polar,Ā Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

It’s got polar coordinates too you can program holes for example by their angular position.

G16 Polar on a Fanuc control.

Easy To Save

  • Tool lengths
  • Workoffsets
  • Fixture Offsets
  • Program

All really easy to save at the push of a button. I recommend you do this on a regular basis as they are a bit too easy to delete.

Setting Work Offsets,Ā Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

They make this really simple too you can use a button that just grabs the current values.

Calculator

One of my favorite features of this machine.

There is a really useful calculator on this control the calculator screen extends to give loads more functionality. It has a button called FETCH and when pressed you can access loads of information.

  • Current position in X Y and Z.
  • Current Machine Position in X Y and Z.
  • Current tool length and diameter.
  • And loads more

This means you can easily access the machine position if you need to set datums etc.

FETCH will bring these figures up on the command line of the calculator.

You could also use it to record positions to build up a program for face milling. See this example on an Heidenhain Control.

Sub Programs, Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

It’s got local subroutines. That means you can just write it at the end of your normal program and you don’t have to worry about managing loads of random program.

Local Sub routine Fanuc

Oh yea and there is this awesome way of passing values into a subroutine.

The call is like this.

(CLS , “MYSUBPROGRAM”, X50 Y50)

Then the sub program looks like this.

(DFS , “MYSUBPROGRAM”)
G0 X! Y!

So the program would use the X50 Y50Ā 

The exclamation marks mean it’s waiting for values.

Next time you call the subprogram the values can be different. You have all 26 letters of the alphabet to use.

This is amazing. Oh and here is another one.

How many controls can do this?

You can just stuff an inch command in the middle of a metric program.

G71 (Metric)
G90 G0 X15. Y15.
G70(Inches)
X1.5 Y1.5

That means you could write a metric program but stick all your drawing dimensions in in inches!!

Love it.

Siemens can do it

You can even modify offsets in inches or millimeters.
Why don’t more controls do this kind of stuff?

I mean it’s not like you need some incredibly complex computer algorithm to change from inch to metric.

All this stuff just makes life soĀ  much easier.

Web Drilling

How many times did you have to drill a part like this?

 

Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

The programs a pain in the arse to do this. Well these guys have it sussed you have a G88 cycle

G88 R0 Z-100. I25. K25. F200.

You don’t have to waste time drilling fresh air.

So there you have itĀ Acramatic 2100 Cincinnati

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U and W on a CNC Lathe (Incremental Programming)

Using U and W on a CNC Lathe

 

U and W on a CNC Lathe

On a CNC machining centre incremental and absolute are modal. That means when one is active it stays active until you programme the other.

U and W on a CNC Lathe

Now on a CNC Lathe it’s different. You just change your axis to U or W. You can remember this by its position in the alphabet UVW correspond to XYZ .

What this means is that you have U instead of X and W instead of Z. Oh and if you have a Y axis you can use V.

 

This can make programming easier if the drawing is dimensioned incrementally.

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Using U and W on a CNC Lathe

This is a nice convenient 10mm. If it was 10.312 then you would have to do the arithmetic in order to use absolute.

U and W on a CNC Lathe

 

You can even mix incremental and absolute in the same block. Look at this example.

This is it with W

Using U and W on a CNC Lathe

Got to be honest I don’t use incremental that much in turning but I reckon this is a really good use for it.

 

 

If you have a slight taper in the part and you want to programme it out. This makes a really simple way.

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It is also much less prone to error. You can put it back to zero for the next time if you want.

Changing the X value can be dodgy.

So there you have itĀ Using U and W on a CNC Lathe

Just one other thing.

DON’T FORGET

The U figure is a diameter not a radius.

So in the example above the diameter is increasing by .02 (U.02)

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G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning

G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning. Facing on a CNC Lathe is no big deal. You just call out the tool, start the spindle, rapid to the part n face the job.

G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning

 

G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning

But then what do you do when you get to the end of the batch of work and find you have got some parts with extra metal on the lengths.

G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning

Now you need to add a lot of extra code. This takes a while and it’s easy to make a mistake.

So enter our Knight in Shining Armor

G94

This is how it looks for the first cut

So if you got into the habit of usingĀ G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning.

When you want to add more cuts it’s easy, piss easy.

So if this blank had 3mm on the face it’s really easy to add some more cuts.

G94 Facing Cycle CNC Turning

Oh just one other thing

This cycle is modal. Notice how all we did was add some Z figures and it just did the facing.

Well just like your wife when you got drunk 15 years ago and urinated in the bed. Well……

It remembers.

So that means we need to stop it. Just by adding a rapid command G0 or G00. It stops. It forgets.

Oh and don’t try n space the code out here because if you leave an extra block in it will face the part again.

I think I need to be honest with you here and confess that until recently I have never seen the point of this G94 code. But now I have seen the error of my ways and I think this demonstrates just how useful it can be.

Now I know some smart prick will say “Oh well I just use G71” . Yes that’s fine but don’t you think it is rather complicated just to face the front off a part that’s too fuckin long?

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CNC Help Beginners Operation Modes

CNC Help, this article is about the different modes of operation on a CNC Machine

CNC Help

Depending on what mode you are in

  • Zero Return
  • Jog
  • Handwheel
  • MDI
  • Memory/Auto/Full Run
  • Drip Feed/Tape
  • Edit

This determines what you can do on the machine.

CNC Help

Learn all this and more

Zero Return

So when we turn on the machine we would need to zero return the machine. What is Zero Return you ask?

Well when you switch on the machine it’s a bit like when you wake up the next day after drinking a whole bottle of whisky.

First thing you think is where am I? Then the memories flood back of how you were dancing naked on the bar.

A CNC machine is much the same (except they don’t piss in a complete strangers cupboard). So you need to let the machine know where it is.

We move the machine back to it’s zero position and on the way it triggers a dog which is like passing over a button. This tells the machine where it is.

You’ll notice it slows down as it passes over this dog. That gives it time to sort itself out.

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Not a real dog you turkey that would be cruel I mean a switch.

You only need do this when you first turn on the machine. After that the machine always knows where it is.

Jog

Jog what’s Jog? Well in this mode you will have an X Y and Z buttons.

CNC Help

You will also have a feed control potentiometer.

(A twisty knob to you)

It’s like when you turn the music up.

CNC Help

This determines how fast your axis will move when you press X Y or Z in the plus or minus direction.

This very often has a rapid button that you can hold in to make the moves really fast if you really want to shit yourself.

So you can use this to move your axis around. You could even use it to drill a hole or face mill a part.

CNC Help Hand wheel

 

CNC Help

When you use the hand wheel you would normally be required to select an axis and an increment as below.
CNC Help

If you selected the X axis and an increment of 0.1 then each click of the hand wheel will move the X axis 0.1mm.

The hand wheelĀ always reminds me of the robbers cracking the safe in the old movies.

Again you can use the handwheel much like jog to get the machine in the position you want and maybe drill a hole or something.

Haas handwheels have a really course setting like 1mm a click so beware!! But it’s great for quickly getting around the machines.

Also beware of over-run, because some Haas Toolroom Machines will carry on after you finished turning the hand wheel!!! Holy shit batman.

Just remember that these articles are designed as general guidelines as machines will vary.

If you use the analogy of driving a car then it’s like borrowing your mates car. It will definitely have lights and indicators. You just got to find where the switches and buttons are.

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Incremental Jog

Just thought I’d add this in. Some machines have an incremental jog and I suppose it’s a bit of a combination betweenĀ handwheel and jog.

You select an increment and each time you press the axis button (XYZ)Ā the machine feeds that amount.

Very useful for clocking in bores and stuff like that. Personally I like the idea and if I worked on a machine with this I’d be using it.

Read the manual and get the most out of your machine.

Safety

It’s important to remember that handwheel and jog can usually be used with the door of the machine open. They may seem gentle and there’s not much noise going on.

Please note you are using the full power of the machine and if your hand is in the way the handwheel will not stop.

MDI

Remember that these modes may have slightly different names but all CNC machines will have them.

Like on some Siemens controls MDI is called MDA (don’t google that one!!!)

Manual Data Input (I suppose it’s kind of self explanatory).

It’s just a way of writing little short bits of CNC code and it’s normally automatically deleted after use.

You could use this for things like doing a tool change or starting the spindle.

Almost anything that you would put in a program can be done in MDI.

It is usually used once and thrown away, not really environmentally friendly single use program.

CNC Help

Most controls have a way of converting this MDI program into a permanent one to keep in memory. Fanuc uses program O0000Ā for MDI and it’s a bit like a clipboard. You can change this program O0000 to a real program number like O0001.

There is also a parameter you can change that makes the program stick around after you used it.

Some operators only use MDI for tool changes so you might want to keep the codeĀ  there for whenever you need it.

Moan Moan Moan

On a Fanuc control you have to put an EOB (end of block or semicolon) at the end of the line of code to make it work. Otherwise you get an alarm. Drives me bonkers.

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Memory/Auto/Full Run

This mode can have different names but it’s the mode where you get to run your programme.

After selecting the programme you want to use select this mode.

When you press cycle start the programme will run.

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You can run your programme in single block

And that red button at the side there is feed hold, it will halt the programme movement but it won’t usually stop the spindle from rotating.

Drip Feed/Tape

This mode is usually for running direct from a Memory Card or PC and it varies from machine to machine. Some will run direct from a floppy disc.

It is for those massive programs too big for the machine memory. Some really old machines will even run a paper tape.

Drip feed is a bit like lying under a beer tap and slowly getting pissed.

Anyway you don’t need to worry your pretty little head about that one at the moment.

Picture of a floppy disc for our younger viewers.

Let’s get on to the interesting shit.

CNC Help Edit

Edit well it’s kinda when you edit….

Yes it’s when you alter the program. In the edit mode you can look at any of your programs stored in your machine and Edit them.

There are massive differences in what you can do depending on your CNC control.Ā  Don’t get me started on this one cos I think CNC Machines have been in the stone age on this one for years. Now I’m not going to mention names but even simple things like copying programs can be an absolute piece of shit.

So if your used to the power of editing on a PC get ready to go back in time. Most new machines are pretty good on this now but it’s taken a long time and I still find it really convoluted and counter intuitive. (I don’t know what either of those words mean).

CNC Help

Here is a short video on how to copy and paste on a Fanuc 18i it’s very similar on most oldish Fanuc controls. (Excuse the long intro on the video but I am trying to flog records as well here).

Oh and if you want to copy a program on an 18i Fanuc view this one.

Editing in its simplest form is INSERT ALTER and DELETE.

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These are self explanatory but I have put a nice little gif above just to hold your attention.

Most modern controls will have FIND and REPLACE. It is well worth learning to use this because it guarantees that you don’t miss any figures in your programme.

Like if you had X57.65 in your program six times if you use FIND/REPLACEĀ to change em all to X57.66.

You are sure to catch them all and you can be sure they are all accurate. Even if you altered em to the wrong figure at least they will all be the same.

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