Avoid CNC Crashes Don’t Reinvent the Wheel

Avoid CNC Crashes Don’t Reinvent the Wheel

This is an article designed to help you avoid CNC crashes.

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I listened to a fantastic documentary on Radio 4 the other day about Airline Crashes. The program explained how the hierarchy (cabin crew, flight crew) caused wrong decisions to be made.

In the Kegworth air Crash, cabin crew knew that the pilot had shut down the wrong engine. Unbelievably no one felt empowered to tell the pilot. The program went on to explain about “The No Blame Culture” and how they had taken this further and created a system where everyone could speak out.

Although this is not the main crux of my post it does highlight some of the points I want to make.

So when a machine crashes. What do you do?

  1. Whose fault is it?
  2. How easy will it be to fire this person?
  3. How quick can we get the machine running again and make some parts?

 

WRONG!!!!

 

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The above are all the things I definitely would not do.

LinkedIn is full of all these soundbites and bulshit.

Quick one word banners. You know the stuff.

Avoid CNC Crashes“Don’t Eat Yellow Snow”. Well maybe that’s not one on LinkedIn but you know the sort of stuff I mean.

 

Anyway I bet there is one about making disasters into learning opportunities.

If you know one then send it to me. Cos I agree.

So when you have a collision on a CNC Machine here is what you do.


  1. Make it very easy for everyone to tell you exactly what has happened.

  2. Do not apportion blame. It must be seen as a way to improve things (a learning opportunity).

  3. Make a detailed report on the whole incident.

  4. Analyse the report with all parties involved.


When you analyze the information you have gathered, try to break it down into small parts.

(Oh and by the way if you think this is a waste of time work out what the collision just cost you.)

Each time you spot something wrong come up with a permanent solution so that it can never happen again.

The idea is that you only make the mistake once. If you say things like “he’s an idiot”. What are you going to do about that? Well maybe you could sack him. That is after he punched you for calling him a twat.

Sorry but this won’t work. Next time you inadvertently employ an idiot your machine will get broken again.

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Now the idea is to Avoid CNC Crashes. If an idiot can operate the machine and not crash it then we have a solution.

I once suggested in a meeting that we fire all the machine operators. The management team had gone on at length about all the problems with staff and how useless they were.

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What would we do then? I was asked. Well we will recruit more. What would we get?

  • A moaner.
  • Someone who is  often late.
  • A person who has loads of sick days.
  • The guy who crashes machines.
  • A brilliant worker.
  • A total prick.
  • One not so brilliant worker.

Actually you would get what you have now. So the message is to work with the staff you have and get the best out of them.

So an example would be:

An operator altered a program and made a mistake. This resulted in the machine crashing.

We could carefully analyze what happened and come up with solutions. These would then become part of everyday procedures,

  1. You could remove the edit key so that operators needed supervision to alter programs.
  2. You could make a tutorial video on the prove-out procedure after program alteration. Then get all involved to view it.
  3.  What did he alter wrong? Maybe there is a training issue.
  4. Maybe he missed out a decimal point and needs to read my post.


Some ideas below on how to help Avoid CNC Crashes.

 

Wrong Offset

Always prove out correctly remember the movement after the tool change is very often the most dangerous one as this is when the offset is applied.

Always adjust the wear offset not the big number (Geometry)

Always use + INPUT that way you any mistakes will be smaller. Depending on settings Fanuc will show you the result before you input i

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You can also restrict the value it can be adjusted by read this.

This control has a WEAR screen and a GEOM, geometry screen.

What changed?

If program has been used many times before. There should be a procedure in place to keep it in a special folder marked “proven”.

  1. You may be using different tools so did you edit the tool numbers?
  2. Do  the offsets correspond to the tool numbers H and T? oh and don’t forget the D read this.

The Rules

If this is an existing program then the first tool moving toward the part is the most dangerous move.

  • Your work offset could be wrong (G54 to G59) or work shift on a CNC Lathe.
  • Tool measurement could be wrong.

Once this first tool is proven correct then you know your work offset and your first tool are correct. Beware if the work offset changes say from G54 to G55.

G54 may be fine but what about G55?

From now on you need to check the line  where each tool comes into the component.

Once the tool is in use it’s happy days. Just keep an eye out for changes in work offset (G54 to G59).

Use your  check screen.

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From this you can see all the information you need

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Absolute Incremental (Don’t be afraid to use it)

If you use G91 (incremental) make sure you immediately program G90 (Absolute).

To move the tool to the tool change position it is much safer to use G53 Z0 rather than G28 G91 Z0. That way you don’t need to remember to change back to G90.

If you are using a sub-program end it with G90 and begin with G91 that way you won’t forget.

Switch To G90 ASAP

In the parameters of most machines you can set it so that when you press reset the machine will revert back to G90.

Read this on machine wake up state.


G91 is very safe to use if you follow the rules.


Decimal Points

Some controls will take calculator type inputs. X20 will be X 20.00. Beware this can be read as X.020 and there is a big difference.

Fanuc, Haas and Mazak will allow you to set a parameter that allows either.

 

Read this post first.

Speed Clamps On CNC Lathes (Avoid CNC Crashes)

G50 is really important it should be at the head of every program or possibly on every tool.

G50 S2000 (speed will not go over 2000 rpm)

 

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Haas Programming, the Haas CNC control is very similar to Fanuc and all other ISO type controls. There are settings that you can alter to change its behaviour. This means that you can get it to perform in a similar way to your other controls.

Haas Programming

It is really useful if you need to be able to transfer programs from one machine to the other. It is well worth taking the time to get all your controls to function in the same way.

Link to all Haas settings.

That is probably the major downfall in using some of the special features that different controls have. It is always worth considering this if you are using some unique feature. It may not work on your other controls.

This is why a lot of people use the ISO option on a Mazatrol (Mazak) machine. It means that you can take programmes from your Fanuc or Haas machine and run them on your Mazak. With careful consideration to all your controls this flexibility can be achieved.

Haas Programming

Learning Haas Programming

The Haas control for example has a corner rounding feature whereby you programme a shape as if it has no corner radii. You then add the corners on as an afterthought.

Personally although this sounds very useful in practice it isn’t that common for a drawing to show intersection points. I think the best use is on a square shape. You might want to use it on a square shape to just break the edges. Certainly when Turning it is very useful for breaking sharp edges.

At the CNC Training Centre we can teach you on or offsite. So we could visit you and offer a training course to suit your individual needs. Alternatively if you want to escape your busy day-to-day environment then a classroom training course may be more suitable.

 

Haas Programming on the Job

Another way to train is to produce an actual part as we train. This has a lot of advantages.

  • You end up with a template part and program that you can use for other jobs.
  • Minimum production loss.
  • Problems are identified as they occur.
  • You make mistakes and increase learning speed.
  • Weakness in knowledge are recognised as they manifest.
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Haas Super Mini Mill

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I’ve wanted to get my hands on a new Haas machine for a while. Really wanted to see what the new control was like.

Haas Mini Mill

Stiltz provided the machine and the victims for the training.

If you have read any of my articles you will know I have always had an affection for Haas machines. The first one I ever worked on being about 1994. At that time they were nothing short of ground breaking innovation.

Things like a built in airline and coolant wash-hose were not only innovative but really useful.

Coolant Hose (What Will You Do With This)

A machine that worked straight out of the box. Easy peasy tool-change. Handwheel to scroll through the program, people still get impressed by this today.

Programmable coolant nozzles, fuckin hell that was a game changer. Just move nozzle to a position and press an F key and it’s stored with the offset.

Macro at no extra cost (wow) some people wanted two grand for this (cost of a good family car in 1995)

Program restart still the best in the world, don’t get me started.

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To start with on this one I didn’t like the interface but it does grow on you. You need to get used to using the touch screen. Access to some menus is a bit convoluted too.

This Haas Mini Mill has a 10k spindle and 30 tools.

Something I suddenly remembered about this model. Well you know when you get a cup of coffee and it’s in a tall tapered glass mug? You are thinking “nice big cup of coffee”. You take four big swigs n it’s gone, shit what happened. What happened is an optical illusion because the cup is tapered it’s actual capacity is that of a thimble.

It happens all the time everything comes in a great big box with loads of packaging and the actual item is minute.

Anyway try moving this machine to the end of it’s stroke in X. Fuckin hell what a disappointment I recon you can only move around about half the table. I mean great you can put a pretty big part on here. That’s great so long as you don’t want to machine it!!!

It definitely is not what you expect from the company that’s known for pragmatism. Anyway that does piss me off.

The way this machine is being used is running programs from a memory stick. At first I thought it was a bit crazy as the programs weren’t particularly big.

Anyway surprise surprise it works well. Just plug in and press load and it runs. But what about editing you ask. No problem you just do it. Same as normal.

Program restart, no problem works exactly the same as when running from memory.

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Haas VF3

This week I got to train two people on a Haas VF3, and what a delight it was. This machine was old I mean 1996 but still a great functional machine tool.

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I like to see myself in a similar way, really old but still functioning, well at least as I write.

Haas VF3

It took me back to when I first set up my business of training people on CNC machines. My first two victims were at Armitage Shanks in good old Wolverhampton.

1996 was the year I started out on my own CNC Training and these were the first machines I trained on. I did so many I got pissed off with the sound of my own voice (which I rarely do).
Because all the machines were the same I was saying the same things and quoting the same tired old anecdotes day after day.
Fortunately, I went on to train on all the well-known CNC machines like Mazak, Mori Seiki, Matsuura, Bridgeport to name a few. Quite a lot of the not so well-known ones like Maho, seen below.

Haas VF3

The machine above has a Phillips control and they were the absolute dogs’ bollocks. It even had rigid tapping. You could hit feed-hold while it was tapping and you got the option to reverse the tap out! Training people on these was an absolute delight.

Don’t forget we’re talking mid 80s here.

Shut up David this sounds like a big plug for the CNC Training Centre, or maybe it is.

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There is pub by us and on the sign, it says “The Home of the Roast”.

You have to queue up to get your food and a young lad carves the meat in front of you. If he don’t like the look of you, which obviously with me he didn’t, you get two or three slices of turkey, so wafer thin, you can see the pattern on the fuckin plate underneath.

Now I don’t want to knock the people of Nuneaton, being as most of my family live there, but honestly there are some greedy bastards about.

After you get your meat and a few accoutrements you follow a long line of people adding cabbage and peas and all sorts of vegetables and potatoes to their plates. This bloke in front of me was scooping so much on to his plate it was flowing over. It was like a fuckin bowler hat as my late father would say, sans expletive.

In those days you didn’t swear in front of ladies, unless of course it was their turn.

I was just thinking “did you like not eat for a fuckin week?” You can imagine his kids at school saying to the teacher “oh, we’re not eating at our house this week miss”. The teacher then asks if this is some precursor to a religious festival or some such thing.

“Oh no miss, we’re booked in at the carvery for Sunday lunch” she gives them a knowing nod.

Anyway, I looked at this blokes plate with utter middle class disgust and vowed never to go there again.

My mate was about three people in front of this bloke and to my amazement my mate’s plate was so full of food, it made his look like he’d paid for the children’s menu.

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Haas products are constantly improving and developing. I love working with Haas because they actually listen to customers.

Every company claims to do this. We all know that some of the software and machines we use everyday have annoying faults that just never seem to be picked up on by the designers.

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Anyway you all know I get pissed off about this if you ever read anything I write. Here is an example.

Did you ever work on a machine with a random tool-changer?

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This is a CNC Milling machine that gets the tool out of the spindle and puts it back into the nearest pocket. Could be a Fanuc control Mazak control, Heidenhain. So when you look round the back of the machine at the pockets, the pocket numbers bear no resemblance to the actual tool numbers.

Anyway you go round the back of the machine and you see a tool you want. An M10 tap maybe. I want that M10 tap so I have to go all through my tool lists or whatever to find what tool number it is.

I hope you get me so far. So I find there is an M10 tap called T06 and I call it to the spindle. Oh dear there are two M10 taps and I got the wrong one. In real life I would probably say bollocks but I am trying to make these articles more classy by reducing the profanities.

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