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Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle.

Let’s face it tapping on a CNC Machine can be a “right pain in the arse” as we say in the Midlands. But help is at hand. All you need is a bit of knowledge and the right equipment and it’s a dream, an absolute pleasure.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

What is Rigid Tapping?

You mean you didn’t know? Well the first step is admitting you didn’t know.

Rigid tapping means the tap can remain rigid throughout the tapping cycle. It can be held in a chuck just like an endmill or a drill. The machine spindle locks in with the feedrate just like when you are screw cutting. You can buy tapping heads specially for this. They are no different to holding in a chuck but you get to use collets for holding the tap. These make it easy to change and it can’t spin.

Oh and you don’t need to remeasure the tap if you replace it.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

So What Use Is This You Say

Well here are some of the advantages.

  1. No need for expensive tension and compression tapping heads.
  2. You can control the depth of the thread very accurately.
  3. It is ok to re-tap the same hole if it needs to be deeper.
  4. Peck Tapping of difficult materials is possible (Yes there is such a thing).
  5. Quicker set-up times.
  6. Feed is the same as the tap pitch.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

But There’s a Catch

It’s an option. Sorry you might not have it.

Most modern machines do have Rigid Tapping as standard but the older the machine the less likely it is that you will have it.

Sorry but you need to look in those boring manuals.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle, Fanuc, Haas, Mazak.

T06 M06 (M10 x 1.5 Tap)

G90 G0 G54 X50. Y50. S300 M03
G95 (Feed per rev)
G43 Z3. H06 M08
G84 G98 Z-15. R1. F1.5
X75.
X100.
G80

On some Fanuc controls you will need M29 for rigid tapping.

T06 M06 (M10 x 1.5 Tap)

G90 G0 G54 X50. Y50. S300 M03 (S300 M03 Optional)
G43 Z3. H06 M08
G95 (Feed per rev)
M29 S300
G84 G98 Z-15. R1. F1.5
X75.
X100.
G80
G94 (Feed per minute)

Just another interesting note (Read This G98 G99)

In the above cycle the tap will rapid down first to Z3. as in the G43 line. On beginning the cycle it will then rapid to what is know as the R Point. In this case R1. (one mm above the hole).

It will tap to a depth of 15 (Z-15). Depending on whether you programme G98 or G99 it will return to either the Z3. or the R1. before moving to the next position.

If you want to know more about G98 and G99 then read the article above.

Heidenhain Uses Cycle 207

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

 

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

Oh! And did You Know This??

G94 feed per minute (feed is in mm per minute).

G95 feed per rev (feed this amount every revolution)

These two G codes are your friend when you’re tapping or should I say G95 feed per rev is your friend.

Why?

When Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle on a Fanuc, Haas, Mazak or similar control it is best to use G95. This means that when you programme your G84 (Tapping Cycle) your feedrate is your pitch.

The really great thing here is that if you change the speed of the tap you don’t change the feed because it’s the pitch.

Bet you have made that mistake before???
You change the speed and forgot to change the feed. We all know what happened next.

How easy is that?

Oh and don’t forget to change back to G94 at the end of the tapping.

You will notice the Heidenhain does this automatically for you.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

On Machines Like The BMC 800 from Toshiba

This machine has the Tosnuc 888 control.

T06 M06 (M10 x 1.5 Tap)

G90 G0 G54 X50. Y50.
G43 Z3. H06 M08
G95 (Feed per rev)
M05
S300
M843 (Synchronous Rotation command)
G84 G98 Z-15. R1. F1.5
X75.
X100.
G80
M845 (Cancel Synchronous Rotation command)

When you don’t have rigid tapping you need a tapping head like this.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

Notice how it pulls out when the tap stops and reverses.

Ok So what’s Going on Here?

  1. Let’s tap a hole.
  2. Start spindle forward.
  3. Feed to depth at correct speed.
  4. Stop spindle (tap starts pulling out).
  5. Reverse spindle (tap pulls out a bit more).
  6. Start spindle (Needs to reach speed).
  7. Feed out of hole.

So the problem is that when the spindle stops, reverses and starts up everything goes wrong.

But this tension and compression tapping head can take up all the slack.

Not An Exact Science.

Definitely not, depths will vary. You will probably need to do some hand tapping too.

Tapping Clutches

These are special collets designed to slip at a certain torque. This allows you to get to depth without breaking the tap.

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle

You adjust the collar at the front to give the required torque.

You can’t use these on Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle because the last thing you want is for the tap to stop rotating.

Haas Have The Answer

Rigid Tapping G84 Canned Cycle, check out this great video on how to stop the machine half way through tapping.

Recover it without busting the tap!!

Ok So Let’s Talk About Peck Tapping

Fanuc (if you have the option) is G84.2 just programme your normal tapping cycle but replace G84 with G84.2 and add a Q value which is your pecking depth.

G84.2 G98 Z-15. Q5. R1. F1.5

Why would one want to peck tap?

  1. Holes that clog with swarf.
  2. Difficult materials.
  3. To impress visitors.

Don’t Have It? Don’t Despair You Don’t Need It if You have Rigid Tapping

If you programme this.

G84 G98 Z-5. R1. F1.5
Z-10.
Z-15.
Z-20.
G80

There you have it Peck Tapping.

So you move to a position and it taps a hole 5mm deep. Because you are in a canned cycle it will repeat the procedure at Z-10. Z-15. and Z-20.

How cool is that?

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CNC Milling G02 G03 to Mill a Full Circle

CNC Milling G02 G03

 

CNC Milling G02 G03

To produce a full circle on a Fanuc or Haas G code type programming system is really easy.

Last week I was training four very experienced programmers and I asked them how they would programme a full circle.

The answers they gave shocked me, I had to take out my hip flask and drink a large shot of brandy.

What they were doing was perfectly correct but definitely not the simplest way.

One said he broke the circle into two halves. One said he copied some code he already had in the machine. The other one said he got the bloke who did it in two halves to do it for him. Oh and the other one used I and J and X and Y.

OK so just imagine you want to mill internally around a 40mm diameter circle.

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CNC Milling G02 G03 to Produce a Full Circle, here’s the code.

First in two halves

G0 X0 Y0 S1500 M3
G43 Z3. H01 M8
G1 Z-5. F100.

G41 X20. Y0 D1 F200.    (Apply Cutter Compensation)
G3 X-20. R20.                   (First Half)
X20.                                     (Second Half)
G1 G40 X0 Y0                   (Cancel Cutter Compensation)

G0 G53 Z0

All in one complete with wasted Code

G1 G41 X20. Y0 D1 F200.
G3 X20. Y0  I-20. J0 (Mill Full Circle)
G1 G40 X0 Y0

But this is really all you need

G1 G41 X20. Y0 D1 F200.
G3 I-20.         (Mill Full Circle….. Sooo Simple)
G1 G40 X0 Y0

Remember that song by the Average white Band “Let’s Go round Again”? I used to love it.

Actually I still do, as an old twat I’m allowed to like this shit.

Ok let’s go round again. It’s so easy and it saves leaving a mark.

G1 G41 X20. Y0 D1 F200.
G3 I-20. (Mill Full Circle)
I-20.        (Lets go round again)
G1 G40 X0 Y0

Now if you have a Toshiba with Tosnuc control or Haas or maybe a Yasnac CNC control…..

CNC Milling G02 G03 to produce a full circle you just need this:

G13 D1 I20. F200. (Everything all in one)

                G13 (Counter Clockwise) G12 (Clockwise)
                D1 (Use offset 1)
                I20. (20mm Radius)

G13 does everything. It’s the an all inclusive holiday of circular milling except you don’t gain weight and you’re not pissed everyday.

How cool is that and you even get a tangential approach. At my age you’re glad of all the tangential approaches you can get.

No there is no sexual innuendo here it just means you approach the circle using a circular move. You sort of creep up when it’s not looking.

Know what I mean??

Here is a nice picture to demonstrate.

CNC Milling G02 G03

Think about it, why would we do this?

Well the older and more inaccurate your CNC machine is the more likely it is that your machine will leave a mark at the entry and exit point. This is also dependant on the material and the size of the cut you are using.

A quick workaround for this is to just go round the circle twice (let’s go round again). It very often does the trick.

CNC Milling G02 G03

Oh by the way if I saw a tangential move that big I would think it was a wasted move. (It’s just to demonstrate). You only need a short tangential move to do the job.

The easiest way to programme a tangential approach is like the ones above. Coming in from North, South, East or West on the compass.

Now look at this.

CNC Milling G02 G03

This is the best way, although it’s more difficult to programme.

I think it’s South West on a Compass?? 

 

 

The reason is that there is no axis change of direction and no animals are injured or hurt in any way during the process.

If you watch the movement above and watch carefully what the X axis is doing. It changes direction before it is in contact with the circle. And the same thing on the way out of cut with the Y axis.

Direction Change When Using G02 G03 to mill full circle

When milling a full circle each time an axis changes direction there is a chance you will be left with a visible mark on the circle. These points are North South West and East on a compass.

Watch below to see where these points are. If you have a new machine there should be no visible mark on this change of direction.

On an old machine this can be really noticeable and cause real problem.

CNC Milling G02 G03

 

Circular Motion and Skid Marks

If you have an old machine you will know what I mean. Those little annoying marks where the machine changes direction. If CNC Machines were underpants then these would be the skid marks.

For my American readers in the UK we call those annoying brown marks at the back of your underwear skid marks. I don’t think you get them in America.

 

I have been working on a 12 year old Mazak Horizontal machine recently and was amazed at just how good a circle it produced. It beats the shit out of using a reamer. Oh and you can easily adjust the size with your D offset.

CNC Milling G02 G03

Just a note. If you do use circular milling to produce a bore just remember that if your cutter is not parallel then your bore won’t be either. So don’t use that crappy old re-ground cutter. Try n get the boss to buy you a shiny new one.

 

CNC Milling G02 G03

oh and just one other thing………..

Measure the bore at the top and the bottom.

Simple Full Circle Programme

G1 G41 X20. Y0 D1 F200.
G3 I-20.     
G1 G40 X0 Y0

There are actually four choices which produce four totally different circles.

And potentially a scrap part. So use those machine graphics to check your code if you got em!!

CNC Milling G02 G03

G3 I-20.    (The one on the left and the one we used)

G3 I20.     (The one on the right)

G3 J20.    (The top one)

G3 J-20.  (The bottom one)

Here They Are In Action

CNC Milling G02 G03

 

CNC Milling G02 G03

Click for More on G02 and G03

If you want to do this on a Sinumeric Siemens 840D read this

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CNC Milling G Code List For Beginners

CNC Milling G Code List

Download and print this nice large print CNC Milling G Code List

Download CNC Milling G Code List PDF

I always begin my training sessions by telling my students not to remember anything I say.

This sounds completely stupid and my excuse is it wasn’t my idea to say it.

About ten years ago I worked in France. After about a year and it seemed obvious that I would need to speak to people to order “Fish n Chips” and stuff like that.

Anyway I got these CD’s to teach me French and the bloke (can’t remember his name) started off by telling you not to remember anything he told you.

I think there is a bit of reverse psychology going on but the main idea is that you understand not remember. It didn’t work for me because I still managed to completely fuck up the language. Not realizing French Canadians speak differently to native Frenchmen (I was working for Bombardier) . Anyway I asked this bloke, in French, to “come with me”. I can’t remember what it is in French and after all the bloke on the CD had specifically told me not to remember.

Anyway turns out this had a sexual connotation and made me the complete laughing stock everywhere I went from then on. (I’ll let you do the maths on that one.)

“OK who bought all The fuckin toilet paper?”

When it comes to CNC Programming the idea of not remembering loads of G Codes is really important. Truth is you only need a few and it’s all about understanding what they do.

For Example I want to drill a hole.

You completed a training course at the CNC Training Centre. You understood it all and you practiced with you free simulation software that you get with the course.

You start writing a program to drill some holes.

From your training you know that there is a cycle that drills holes.

You understand how the cycle feeds the tool down to a depth and then it rapids out ready to do another.

Quick Fix G81 Video

You also know that if you keep adding more positions (X50. Y50.) it will keep drilling holes.

And… when you are sick of drilling holes there’s another G code to stops it.

What Are These G Codes?

So you just look em up on your CNC Milling G Code List.

G81 Drilling Canned Cycle
G80 Cancel Canned Cycle

Then you think “mmm I’m sure there’s one that pecks the material out and breaks it up”

“Let me see… Ah this looks like the one

G73                 Peck Drilling

CNC Milling G Code List

Type up or print this list in nice big letters and stick it to the side of your machine

Download CNC Milling G Code List PDF

CNC Milling G Code List

G00                 Move at Rapid speed
G01                 Feed in a Straight Line
G02                 Clockwise Arc
G03                 Counter Clockwise Arc

G04                 Time Dwell
G28                 Return Axis to Home

G41                 Cutter Compensation Left
G42                 Cutter Compensation Right
G40                 Cancel Cutter Compensation

G43                 Apply Tool Length Offset
G54 to G59     Work Offsets

G81                 Drilling Cycle
G73                 Peck Drilling
G83                 Deep Hole Drilling Cycle
G84                 Tapping Cycle
G80                 Cancel All Canned Cycles

G90                 Absolute Programming
G91                 Incremental Programming

Download CNC Milling G Code List PDF


CNC Programming Basics Letter O Number Zero

CNC Programming Basics Letter O Number Zero

CNC Programming Basics, in my very early days of CNC I got to do quite a lot of work for Hitachi Seiki the Japanese machine tool maker that unfortunately no longer exist.

CNC Programming Basics

Many of their machines are still around and running. I was fortunate enough to be trained by a Japanese engineer who focused on the CNC programming basics.

The control was called Seicos which I think was based on the Fanuc control which Hitachi made themselves.


Anyway they had an equivalent of the Fanuc FAPT which was an automatic programming system.

It was the dogs bollocks of the day.

CNC Programming Basics

You could do maths on the fly with this control which I recon is a great idea.

Maths On The Fly

 

 

You could input say 8/25.4 then when you pressed enter, it would calculate the answer and input it for you. Lots of software like Fusion 360 do this today.

A couple of times I read a radius from a drawing say 15 for example and I would input 30 for the diameter. Every time he would stop me and say “no no wrong” (sorry I can’t do a Japanese accent).

He would insist that I input 15 x 2 and then press enter.

I didn’t think too much about it at the time. Over the years the penny has dropped as to the significance of this lesson.

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When I am training people now I always say that you must input exactly what you see.

Roy Walker has a Catchphrase “Say What You See”  I just love this show. I suggest you watch it now because this article gets more and more boring as it goes on.

Anyway

So if you input exactly what you see you will make less errors.

“Say What You See”

“Say What You See”

For example if I had worked it out that 15 x 2=29 or I made a typing error then I would have been in trouble.

So at what point do you decide that you will use a calculator?

What he was teaching me was, wherever possible make the machine do the work.

CNC Programming Basics


Taking this to its logical conclusion the way you programme from a drawing is really important and it is all part of CNC Programming Basics.

  • Make the datum wherever possible the same as the drawing.
  • If the drawing has several datum’s you could also have several datum’s.
  • If holes are dimensioned 15.865 apart and you have 4 holes don’t add it up programme it as incremental.
  • If you have polar programming (G16) on your machine and the drawing is dimensioned that way, with angles and rads, then use polar.
  • Here is a post on how to use G16

It’s Right there in Front of You

What this means is that when you look at the programme and you look at the drawing it is really easy to understand what you are doing. Remember what I have said in many posts before.

If you are the programmer the setter is your customer.

If you are the setter then the operator is your customer.

When someone else picks up your work they should easily be able to see what you are up to.

Unless your one of those assholes that really doesn’t want them to understand.

  • Read the drawing and you can see the same figures as the programme.
  • Check out the datum and it’s the same as the drawing.

We always emphasise this when we are training programmers.


The Point

Let me now get to the real point of this article this Japanese guy would never allow me to say G O as in letter O. He would insist on me saying G zero. If you think about the translation here, the only reason that we get the two mixed up is because they look the same. I would imagine to him it seemed totally wrong.

The thing is it is totally wrong.

CNC Programming Basics


CNC Programming Basics

If you place a letter O accidentally in your code instead of a number zero when you read it into your machine it will start a new programme as soon as it sees the letter O.

So you will end up where you and your poor machine are both very confused.

The letter O has only one use in a CNC programme it precedes the programme number to begin a programme (see below). The comments in brackets are totally ignored by the control and therefore you can put what you like while you are protected by the brackets.

By the way if you want to use foul language or childish rude comments them please make sure they are parenthesised. I often do this myself.

O0001 (G81 DEMO)
G21 G90 G40
T01 M06 (20.0 MM DIA X 90 POINT SPOT DRILL)
G90 G0 G54 X12.64 Y88.0 S2546
G43 H01 Z15.0 M8
G0 Z100.

Where Else Can you Use The Letter O?

Sorry I lied to you. There are other uses for the letter O.

I only lied to protect you as a beginner.

What are they? Let me know

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